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Re: While I'm In There... Parts Car!!! (Late-Early Build '90

Postby PRY4SNO » Sat Sep 22, 2012 8:51 pm

Parts update! :D

KW v3 coilovers have arrived:
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Also included in latest parts orders:
-- 034 Strut top mounts: street density
-- 034 Billet aluminum subframe bushings: front (adj.), rear
-- 034 Delrin control arm bushings: front, rear
-- 034 tie rods: front (chromolly), rear
-- 034 wheel stud kit (x20)
-- JHM solid shift kit
-- OEM S2 coupe 6sp. shift linkage
-- Kamei grille

Just need a few more parts (B4V6 front subframe, 4kq driveshaft, 034 billet driveshaft mount, R/S2 front axle shafts, Southbend clutch, EFI Express RS2 trans mount brackets, 034 MS trans. mounts, 034 sway bar mounts), and will be ready for a full suspension & drivetrain refurb. Going to also try to do vacuum brake assist swap at the same time... need spare V6 or 10vt/7a PS pump.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby Kliminati » Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:07 pm

Niiiice! They will completely transform you car

Careful when installing, those washers can be a biatch to line up proper while tightening the strut/hub bolts

PS - You may want to swap the front springs to the rear and the rear to the front...
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby RSCoupe » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:05 pm

Kliminati wrote:...PS - You may want to swap the front springs to the rear and the rear to the front...


Why would he want to do that? KW knows what they are doing...
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby PRY4SNO » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:14 am

Kliminati wrote:Niiiice! They will completely transform you car

Careful when installing, those washers can be a biatch to line up proper while tightening the strut/hub bolts

PS - You may want to swap the front springs to the rear and the rear to the front...


Thanks, I'm really looking forward to getting into the suspension overhaul. Should feel like a brand new car afterwards :D


RSCoupe wrote:
Kliminati wrote:...PS - You may want to swap the front springs to the rear and the rear to the front...


Why would he want to do that? KW knows what they are doing...


I think he means to have the higher spring rate in the back to get a more ass-happy feel. I'll be installing them as intended.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby RSCoupe » Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:24 am

PRY4SNO wrote:...I'll be installing them as intended.


:thumbsup:
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby Kliminati » Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:54 pm

RSCoupe wrote:Why would he want to do that? KW knows what they are doing...


Its a pretty common practice by the S2 guys. The front springs are 400lbs/ft and the rears are 360lbs/ft, so switching the 400 to the back and 360 to the front is just an small option to help combating the under steer. I currently have them on my car as KW intended but the next time they come off to replace top mounts Ill be switching them f to r.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby zarati » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:12 pm

:stupid:
No experience with KW's, But I do prefer the rears to be a little stiffer. I just swapped mine around so that the rears are stiffer and I like the way it handles WAY better. If your running a fat rear bar probably no need, but with no rear bar, I can no throttle steer around corners much better than before.
All in personal preference I suppose though. And without doing a track comparison who knows which is faster. But I definitely like the feel of it better now.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby Mcstiff » Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:20 pm

It would be interesting to hear why KW went the way they did. We know the car is front heavy, my guess is that their 4 post dyno made the choice

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/16386244[/vimeo]
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby RSCoupe » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:44 am

They probably want to maintain understeer for safety reasons. There is no way for them to know the driving ability of their customers.
Now for race applications they must not feel that way, as mine are the same front and rear: 90 N/mm (513.9 lbs/in).
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby PRA4WX » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:04 am

I have 120's for the front, and 90's for the rear, and a small rear sway bar, no bar up front.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby zarati » Tue Sep 25, 2012 7:44 am

PRA4WX wrote:I have 120's for the front, and 90's for the rear, and a small rear sway bar, no bar up front.


That sounds like the stock spring rates for a 4000quattro. Maybe 80q.
I'd like to know what the CQ stock rates are. I'm guessing closer to 150 but I really am not sure.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby Mcstiff » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:30 am

zarati wrote:
PRA4WX wrote:I have 120's for the front, and 90's for the rear, and a small rear sway bar, no bar up front.


That sounds like the stock spring rates for a 4000quattro. Maybe 80q.
I'd like to know what the CQ stock rates are. I'm guessing closer to 150 but I really am not sure.


In ft/lbs not nm :D
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby PRY4SNO » Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:56 am

Kliminati wrote:
RSCoupe wrote:Why would he want to do that? KW knows what they are doing...


Its a pretty common practice by the S2 guys. The front springs are 400lbs/ft and the rears are 360lbs/ft, so switching the 400 to the back and 360 to the front is just an small option to help combating the under steer. I currently have them on my car as KW intended but the next time they come off to replace top mounts Ill be switching them f to r.


Yeah, I've read the same. Want to try things out first and see how she feels. It'll be good to give the car a chance to settle in over the winter, and then shake her down on the track next year once I'm comfortable with the new setup.


zarati wrote::stupid:
No experience with KW's, But I do prefer the rears to be a little stiffer. I just swapped mine around so that the rears are stiffer and I like the way it handles WAY better. If your running a fat rear bar probably no need, but with no rear bar, I can no throttle steer around corners much better than before.
All in personal preference I suppose though. And without doing a track comparison who knows which is faster. But I definitely like the feel of it better now.


I'll play around with the sway bars for sure; RS2 up front and will try either my 034 or B7A4 2.0t front bar in the back to see which feels best. A nimble, neutral feeling would be ideal.


Mcstiff wrote:It would be interesting to hear why KW went the way they did. We know the car is front heavy, my guess is that their 4 post dyno made the choice

[vimeo]http://vimeo.com/16386244[/vimeo]


Sweet vid, thanks!


RSCoupe wrote:They probably want to maintain understeer for safety reasons. There is no way for them to know the driving ability of their customers.
Now for race applications they must not feel that way, as mine are the same front and rear: 90 N/mm (513.9 lbs/in).


I asked for a Nurburgring set up from 034/KW so hopefully it's not too harsh for the street!
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby PRA4WX » Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:39 pm

Mcstiff wrote:
zarati wrote:
PRA4WX wrote:I have 120's for the front, and 90's for the rear, and a small rear sway bar, no bar up front.


That sounds like the stock spring rates for a 4000quattro. Maybe 80q.
I'd like to know what the CQ stock rates are. I'm guessing closer to 150 but I really am not sure.


In ft/lbs not nm :D


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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby Quattro v1.0 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:15 am

I wouldn't wait and then make yourself take the car apart again, I can also attest to preferring a heavier spring in the rear. It makes the car feel less porky and it greatly helps the turn-in.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby ballaudi » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:49 pm

I took 90 quattro springs from the front of a V6 for my rears and my weitec fronts and the car can get a bit squirelly but I also dont have a rear sway bar in the car, I think a front/rear strut brace and a 4000Q front sway bar in the rear will make for a back end that will rotate a bit easier with the right throttle input (if my clutch will take it). The springs ride smooth but you can barely push the back of the car down, I think those KW's will be pretty sweet when you get them in.

Don't forget about the wreckers on Saturday we need to get you that drive shaft.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby ads » Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:56 pm

Don't forget about the wreckers on Saturday we need to get you that drive shaft.


If you are talking about the 4000 quattro driveshaft I'm afraid its gone. My buddy snagged it for his coupe last weekend
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby ballaudi » Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:21 pm

Well f*&k S%$t! I still need to go there and see if I can find an alternate power steering pump bracket. there was a coupe GT there that has some beefy metal brackets I might be able to modify.
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby PRY4SNO » Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:08 pm

ads wrote:
Don't forget about the wreckers on Saturday we need to get you that drive shaft.


If you are talking about the 4000 quattro driveshaft I'm afraid its gone. My buddy snagged it for his coupe last weekend


Well that sucks. Thanks for saving me the trip though...

Same guy who looked at my parts car?
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby ballaudi » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:02 pm

Nothin going on with your build? I figured you wouldn't be able to wait having that whole parts car and your new V3's. I will try to get your PS pump a little cleaner and and that subframe a little more respectable, The second bible should be here today...
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby ballaudi » Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:26 am

So? Did you get anything done?
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby PRY4SNO » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:42 am

No, unfortunately nothing glamourous.

Winter wheels and studs, that's it for now.

Still waiting on garage space to get going on maintenance and suspension refurb.

Also still waiting on 034/KW about a missing washer... like a month after the fact. :(
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Re: While I'm In There... 034/KW Suspension

Postby ballaudi » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:36 pm

yeah it really sucks waiting for stupid parts to finish up. Cant wait till you get them in!
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While I'm In There... Serious Case of Scope Creep

Postby PRY4SNO » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:33 am

Good news :D

-- 236mm tall deck
-- 92.8mm crank
-- 160mm DMF rods
-- 82.5mm Wiseco pistons
-- ARPs
-- a nearly new AAN head with 7A cams
-- and all the supporting bits

found themselves in a crate in my possession via freight last weekend, and were delivered to my local machine shop by Monday. Thanks to the Chaloux camp for a great deal and communications. Built stroker motor for the cost of a built 7A!
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Re: While I'm In There... Serious Case of Scope Creep

Postby chaloux » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:25 am

:D can't wait to see it all come together!
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