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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:04 am

So this morning I removed the major parts of the hydro boost system.
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Now, can anyone tell me what I'm supposed to do with this cluster F?
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This I believe is the return line section where the 2 hydro boost hoses, and the 2 steering hoses come together. Should I just cut the hoses short, and clamp a bolt in there? I really don't want to remove the whole line if it's not necessary.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:46 pm

Well, just got home from picking this up.
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Has a little rust, but nothing to worry about
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It's in MUCH better shape than the other one I had. Now I need to plug the hydro boot return lines, and install this. I'm going to measure the brake booster rod lengths. Hopefully they are the same, is not, I'll have to adjust it.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby Afterthought » Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:32 pm

I have done it a couple different ways before on that steering / hydro boost delete but I also deleted my ABS at that time as well so I’m Trying to remember exactly how it went .
One way is swap on rack /pump/booster from 4000 or whatever.
The other way I did it once on a B3 was by using B2 booster and B2 pump but leaving the b3 rack in and I believe there were two lines I had to just tie together in a loop. It’s been a long time but if I remember there was a line that went from the rack to the hydro boost on the brakes that I didn’t need. Hopefully this helps or rings a bell.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:38 pm

Today was about the small victories! I looped the hose on the hydro booster return, and sealer that up. I then painted the "new" booster.
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After letting that dry for about an hour, I fought the car to get it in!
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I then played contortionist to get the 3 M10 lock nuts on inside the car. Some duck tape on a socket so I could get them started and I was gold! Very happy, until I realized I needed to crawl back under the dash to attach the return spring! Oh, well that actually went quite easily.

I started to pull thing out of my garage, and it suddenly got very dark like it's going to rain, so I decided not to pull the engine into the driveway. Instead I started looking at some other things I could attach to the engine before install. I figured the breather tubes could go on a while. I tried to put the one one that came with the car, no go. It was hitting the BOS heat shield. It turns out there IS a difference between the early and late breather tube.
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The extra bends in it allow it to clear the heat shield. So now I have to clean this one up... I guess that tube that sticks up vertically can just be capped, as the late manifold doesn't use it. I do need to figure out where the bracket for the tube attaches to though

That where I will stop today, my daughter is bugging me to play with her and not the car.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:48 pm

Today was a milestone day! With it being quite nice outside, I pulled everything out and got going.

Flywheel, clutch, and trans all attached! It's way up in the air to install the oil pan to trans bolts as well as the starter.
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After fighting to get the engine to hang in a correct enough position to put it between the frame rails, I finally got it in!
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For those that have don't the BOS header in a late car, did you run into issues with the AC line? The one that runs along the PS fender. I could not get the engine over far enough with that line in place. As soon as I took it out, it fell right into place. I did attempt to put it back in after getting the engine in, and it would not fit.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:12 pm

I had to cut the heat shield due to interference with the AC line.

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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:15 pm

There were a couple additional problems I had to address with fitting the BOS header in my late coupe. It was back in late 2018 / early 2019, if you want to look through my build.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:44 pm

So far the only thing I have come across was the AC line. I haven't hooked up the starter yet, so I guess that could be an issue as well. I still haven't found a CO text pipe, but I do have the one from the cast manifold, so I'll probably just make a cap out of that.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:56 pm

I didn't have an issue with the starter. I think I had to lengthen the hose that runs between the intake boot and the evap charcoal canister. And maybe shave a little off the thing (not sure what it's called) that prevents fresh air from entering the airbox until the engine warms up.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:27 am

One thing I forgot to mention was when manipulating the engine/trans into place, I noticed a puddle forming under the car. It turns out the clutch line let go at some point. With having little option with what to do there, one was ordered from here.
https://www.paragonperformance.com/Audi-Clutch-Lines

I will also be ordering a set of brake lines to match. The ones on the car are like rocks...
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:08 pm

Wow, those are some excellent prices. Wonder if they'd do custom lines to accept different configurations in a Cq, like Porsche calipers up front and C4S4 or D2A8 rears etc?
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:49 pm

I should note that the lines are made to order, so expect aprox. a 2 week delay.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:39 pm

Judging on my project's existing timeline, 2 weeks won't be an issue lol

But that's also solid info, thanks.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:26 am

I just got the call. I'm going back to work tonight. I'm not sure for how long, but apparently there is a lot of work at the shop now.

So I'm going to try to get the car back to a roller today. At least that way I can push the car around when needed again
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:59 am

Good to hear that!
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:31 am

I wasn't sure why the shop foreman was calling me at 8:30am. I'm happy to be going back to work, I just hope it stays busy enough that I don't get furloughed again in a week...

So the wife threw me a curve ball and asked me to get some things done around the house, so no car work today for me. I need to clean and paint the "new" subframe anyway, and it's too CD outside right now for that.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:35 pm

Not much of an update, I need to decide if I want to weld up the "new" subframe, or if I want to try to clean up the original one and see how bad it is. I'll say it again, DON'T BUY PARTS IN THE DARK! I don't care how much you think you can trust the person...

This is where the control arm is supposed to be mounted on the "new subframe
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All 4 inner areas have some sort of cut off wheel marks. I know I can weld it, grind it, and be all good, I'm just getting aggravating over buying supposedly good parts and finding crap like this.

Anyways, I did finally decide to put the front end of the parts car to good use.
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I'll be building a box around it, filling with brick chip and then a flower box where the engine is supposed to be. I need to figure out a way to make the headlights, corners, and fog lights illuminate. My neighbor thinks it's awesome, when shall see what the powers that be have to say about it though haha.

And last but not least, I kind of went on a parts ordering binge. That being said, the wife was starting to get a little pissy about the piles of box's around the house. So today, I was made to "make them disappear!". So seeing as they are all for the CQ, they went in the hatch for now...
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Oh, and this is the condensed version! With more on the way! Hopefully the weather cooperates soon, and I can finish getting the front end back together on this. It's been too cold and wet outside to have the garage door open.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby jbrentd » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:54 am

I feel ya. I will have so much more space in my garage once I get all the parts installed.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Wed May 06, 2020 5:19 am

The other day I decided to attack the original subframe, because I hadn't welded the "new" subframe yet. I'm glad I did, because other than some crusty spots, it really want that bad. After a couple hours of scraping, hammering, and wire Wheeling, it looks descent. So I went ahead and painted it. 2 coats of rustolium rust reformer, and 2 heavy coats of VHT chassis black epoxy paint. Looks pretty good now!
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Then tonight I was bored at work, so I figured I would weld up the other subframe and clean it up too. Welding went ok, but was pulling all kinds of crap out of the metal.
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I was welding at a pretty low temp trying not to burn away too much. After I was satisfied with the multiple hacked up area repairs, I went ahead with the needle scaler to knock off the rust. Wasn't exactly what I expected...
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That hole started forming with a light pass over the area with the scaler. I went back over it a couple time to see just how bad it was when it pretty much just caved in! I had noticed the drain in that corner was rusted shut, but didn't thing too much of it, until this happened. I figured I was in for more welding until I flipped it, and produced another home in the same area on the other side. So after all that, I threw it in the scrap hopper here at work. Such a waste.

Oh, and can anyone tell me what the hell these mounts are actually to? They obviously aren't early small chassis mounts.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Thu May 07, 2020 9:03 am

I may have the greatest neighbors ever! We are very much alike, and have no problem helping each other out when needed. He made this for me in his sign shop as a thank you!
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Fri May 08, 2020 3:12 am

So I have a question for you guys. On Sat. I'm going to pick up a fairly "rare" rear muffler for this car. I personally have only seen a few of them in the states, so that's why I say "rare". I can't find a new pipe from cat to axel, so I have to use the original. That pipe doesn't seem in completely terrible condition, but the muffler is rotted out. The question is, should I just weld a pipe in, or should I pick up a resonator of some sort to weld in?

I have done the straight pipe on a 10v, and it wasn't bad at all with no cat, and a stebro rear box. I know these 20v engines can be kind of pitchy at higher RPM, so not sure how well this recipe would work. This car will have a cat though, so that will probably change how this works as well. Any suggestions?
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Fri May 08, 2020 12:05 pm

Maybe this is the middle ground you're looking for:

https://synapseengineering.com/synapseu ... drone.html
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Fri May 08, 2020 12:13 pm

That was definitely interesting. I've seen things like that before, but never really understood how it works. The problem would be I would have to build the exhaust, then figure out what RPM(I guess), I'm trying to clean up.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby PRY4SNO » Fri May 08, 2020 10:37 pm

I seem to remember one of the Seattle area posters being an audio engineer, perhaps he can explain further. Was it Alex, or Pat?

If I understand correctly, it creates a double wave form and cancels out the resonance in a selected frequency range. Tough part is figuring out where your drone is and selecting the right J-tube based on the frequency you're looking to eliminate. Grain of salt disclaimer applies, this is not my field of expertise.
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Re: Project: my first 20v

Postby DE80q » Sat May 09, 2020 3:24 pm

So here is what I spent the last 5 hours on the road to go and get!
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I picked it up for dirt cheap! Oh, and it's never been used! Look at the inside of those tips!
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The story I got, was a friend of his was cleaning out a warehouse and found it. Gave it to him to possibley modify to fit on his Acura! It has been sitting in his basement for over a year, and posted it on letgo over a month ago. He didn't respond the first time I sent him a message almost a month ago, but did the other day. I'm excited now! This was the kind of find I needed to hopefully motivate me!
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