The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Getter

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The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Getter

Postby dougkehl » Wed May 03, 2017 8:45 am

I've been thinking about it for a while and finally decided it was time to move this thread hear from Motorgeek. The thread here will outline the final plans for this car and how it went from something that wasn't supposed to be a big project to me letting all the bad ideas I have for this car take over for better.. or maybe worse.

The final engine plans have changed compared to the plans on Motorgeek. For the moment the final engine formula for this car is as follows:
2.0 5 cylinder NM code block
AAN ported and polished cylinder head
CATCAMS 267/267 camshafts
Custom made intake manifold with 42mm ITBs
Iroz Equal length exhaust manifold or custom made
BorgWarner 7163 EFR with .85 a/r v-band non-wastegate turbine housing from an indy car
3" downpipe and exhaust
Stock AAN wastegate, may change to a Tial 44mm
Pauter forged 144mm rods (balanced)
Stock AAN 81mm pistons (balanced)
Balanced 77.4mm stroke crank
VEMS Standalone and a reworked AAN harness
Either a Treadstone vertical flow intercooler or maybe I'll get my own core and make one.
I plan to make all the intake charge tubes out of carbon-kevlar and realistically I plan to make a ton of other carbon-kevlar stuff

Bottom line I want this car to look just like a regular QSW minus being a little lower and having white Azev type A's. But I want to open the hood and just have it remind me of a Group B Quattro to some extent and 100% go like a bat out of hell. This engine is going to take a long time to get together because I'm also in the process of buying a house which will take some funds away, but for the better!

Here is the progress on the chassis so far for those of you who haven't seen it on Motorgeek

When I bought the car like two years ago
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Tried pulling out that smashed back end..
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But I cut it out anyway... Drove from NJ to Cape Cod, MA to get some parts.
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Then I started stripping it down to fix the remainder of the rust and prepare for paint.

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Rotted floor.
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New floor.
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Crap floor out!
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My dad gave me a hand and prepped the floor.
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New floor in!
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Finish floors.
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Fender replacement.
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Currently I just finished the body filler smoothing and I'm just about done masking it off in preparation for primer. Hopefully by weeks end I'll have it primed.

And here are some of the engine parts acquired to this point in time..

AAN with an 01E that I bought about two months after I bought the car. Paid $500 for the engine and trans. I'll be keeping the locker 016 in this car though.
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Set of ITB's I put together and the intake plenum
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And the BorgWarner 7163 EFR.
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Sorry for the mega post, but everything is covered up to date. It will just be one update at a time now haha
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby pilihp2 » Wed May 03, 2017 9:57 am

this.
is.
amazeballs.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Wed May 03, 2017 11:43 am

pilihp2 wrote:this.
is.
amazeballs.


Thanks man! I hope it all works out how I'm planning.

One more update from yesterday on MG. The guy I bought the turbo from runs his own company that makes prototypes of basically what ever you want.. He was offering to help make an inlet for the compressor housing for the Indy Car EFR compressor housing. Two nights ago he sent me pictures of the finished 3D printed model mocked up on his 7163. So now we're working on either 3D printing it in aluminum or just turning the inlet on a lathe and machining the flange and then I can weld the two together. Really just comes down to cost at this point.

Imageinlet 1 by dougkehl1, on Flickr
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Also started working on the turbine housing inlet v-band flange design. Because of course the turbine inlet v-band flange on an Indy Car is way different than on a regular EFR v-band turbine housing.. And I don't want to weld another flange to this turbine housing.. So I'm considering turning this on my friend's lathe out of 304 stainless steel, but if he doesn't have the tooling necessary I'll just have a machine shop do it for me for the sake of saving time even if it means spending a bit more money.

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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby the german » Wed May 03, 2017 1:51 pm

I like where this is going.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby Foscora » Wed May 03, 2017 2:18 pm

Alright, I'll follow this thread then.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby pilihp2 » Wed May 03, 2017 3:31 pm

What is your plan for exhaust manifold?
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Thu May 04, 2017 6:14 am

pilihp2 wrote:What is your plan for exhaust manifold?


Either an Iroz equal length manifold with the v-band flange I'm making for this turbo, or it will be something similar to the Prospeed manifold below and I'll do all the fab work myself.

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I'm still undecided though, because I would prefer the Iroz manifold for the benefit of it being equal length, and Hank does a realllyyyy nice job making them from what I've seen. I don't really think it's possible to go wrong with one of them. But there is something about the Prospeed manifold I like, probably the fact that it's a replica of the Audi Sport manifold found in S1 E2 cars.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Mon May 08, 2017 11:53 am

The lighting in this picture is terrible, but it's finally primed. It needs another coat I think on the roof, but the rest of it is pretty good.

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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby maverick » Mon May 15, 2017 11:44 am

I freaking love this project!!
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Tue May 16, 2017 6:24 am

maverick wrote:I freaking love this project!!


Hey, thanks man!

I'm starting to actually like it again now that the car is set up to go to the spray booth next weekend for paint!

Finished block sanding the chassis last night, it needs a few touch up spots with primer. And today I'll get the hood prepped for the Aerocatch hood pin latches and then I'll finished up the body filler on two doors and by Thursday I should be able to start priming the hood, the hatch, all 4 doors, front fenders, sunroof, and the two stupid rain gutter pieces that Volkwagen decided to rivet on instead of just making it part of the car haha. I also got in touch with Ground Control to put together a coilover kit for this thing. So hopefully I can scrounge the funds together to get those ordered as well.

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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby zephyrj » Tue May 16, 2017 1:37 pm

Can't wait to see this thing ripping around. I still look out for a decent qsw.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby loxxrider » Tue May 16, 2017 5:38 pm

Awesome, glad you made it over. I'd save yourself the headache and get one of hanks manifolds. Hell, if you aren't using a k26 flange, why not sell the indy housing to someone who needs it like me and get yourself a regular vband one so you don't even need adapters?? I'd pay handsomely for that housing so I can use it on an rs2 Evo manifold for my avant.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Wed May 17, 2017 6:21 am

It's all going to come down to time. I want to build a manifold so I can say, "yeah I made that", but I know realistically even IF I spent less money to make my own the time could be worth more than the money spent on one of Hanks manifolds.

And you're tempting me to pull the hotside off the turbo. It really would make everything easier, but I really kinda want to use it. I'm just going to have a flange made and get the correct clamp assembly from Reid Washbon and weld it onto whatever manifold I get. Oddly enough they supply clamps for Indy Car turbos, but not the corresponding flanges.
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Postby loxxrider » Sat May 20, 2017 11:39 am

Interesting on the clamp/flange situation. Well, if you decide want to make yourself some money on that housing, do send me a message! There's really no reason to use that hotside from a performance standpoint. It's a packaging thing if you have a stock manifold and are running one of hanks kits.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Tue May 30, 2017 4:51 pm

Update time..

Chris and I made a deal and he now has the turbine housing from my 7163 for his Avant. I'm very grateful for that because it works out for both of us. A new v-band in/out .85 A/R non-wastegate housing is now on the way from Jeff at FRP!!

Also, I got the remaining parts primed over the weekend and the car will be going to paint either this weekend or next depending on the weather.
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Also, these showed up today! Ground Control really hooked it up because this car is a bastard child of suspension parts thrown together and it works well enough. Originally they didn't want to supply me a kit because it would have been a one-off thing and I guess they don't like to do that. After talking with Donovan for a bit we got all the parts worked out. The kit consists of 50mm Audi 4000 front perches, sleeves, springs and top mounts and the rear is first gen Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX rear perches, sleeves and springs with Mk1 Rabbit top hats and bushings. I can't wait to get these in.. I'm mostly excited to do work on the car I find enjoyable instead of body work.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:19 pm

Got the new turbine housing yesterday. It's quite nice. Hopefully within the next month or so I can get the engine up on a stand and start fiddling around with it and this lovely turbo.

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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby the german » Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:17 am

That is the most dramatic picture of a turbo on a washing machine I have ever seen.
;)



But seriously, looking great.
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:34 am

the german wrote:That is the most dramatic picture of a turbo on a washing machine I have ever seen.
;)


Haha It's funny you mention the washing machine because my one friend always busts my chops about taking pictures of car parts on the washing machine.. But it's the perfect place because of the light that's directly above it lol.

But hopefully it'll be painted this weekend. It's just about ready to go. I've got just a few more things to block sand, like the sun roof and hood and then it goes on the car trailer and off to the booth!
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby ringbearer » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:01 am

Where are you located?
Car is looking great!
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:27 pm

ringbearer wrote:Where are you located?
Car is looking great!


Thank you! It's getting there slowly. But I'm currently located in northern New Jersey, soon to be northern NY just north of Lake Placid.
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Postby ringbearer » Mon Jun 05, 2017 5:22 pm

I thought you were out west for some reason, keep up the good work!
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby dougkehl » Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:03 am

Got some parts ordered today to reassemble the car when it comes back from paint next week. New door handle seals, a new antenna, new wiper shaft seals, new washer jets front and rear, new seals for the switch that controls the interior light when you open the doors and a new horn.. Oh and I got a hold of the guy that's going to supply me the camber and toe adjustment plates and bolts for the rear subframe so I can correct both once I install the coilovers.

And a little off topic, but it's something I'm super pumped on and some people here might think it's cool. I traded a set of wheels I had for my Mk1 to my friend for his Mk1 in exchange for this sweet CB450 chopper roller.. I'll probably post about this here along the way too lol
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby mrdeye » Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:47 am

Nice! At one point in time that chopper use to be Zed's! :P
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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby loxxrider » Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:21 am

That new turbine housing looks super nice. Glad it worked out to both of our benefits!
-Chris

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Re: The 20vt Quantum Syncro Wagon - The Group B Grocery Gett

Postby chaloux » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:37 am

This thread is awesome. This project is awesome. That ground control kit is a hilarious mix, nice job.
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