Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby audifreakjim » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:14 pm

I keep checking for updates, ha
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:08 am

Going slowly. I am out of town today but will be working to get the head off this weekend.

With everything else having failed, I will be trying the trick of filling a cylinder with rope at BDC and manually rotating the engine with the hopes that it will push the head off. Wish me luck!
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby elaw » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:07 pm

Is the head attached with studs or bolts?

Years ago I had a Saab 99 that had a Triumph engine that was notorious for head problems. It was an alloy head attached with studs, and there would be galvanic corrosion between the studs and the head that made them incredibly hard to get off. The usual idea with an older car was to use hammer & chisels to raise the head up enough to get a hacksaw blade in and cut off the studs, and the head was sometimes destroyed in the process.
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby audifreakjim » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:33 pm

This happened to me on a 10vt with ARP head studs before they had the allen broach on top, and were undercut. Had to rig up a jack to push the head up.
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:33 pm

Studs. I thought about removing them too but I'm going to try the rope trick first
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby audifreakjim » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:22 pm

If you can remove them, I'd definitely do that first. The head may have also mushroomed around the threads. That's pretty common too.
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:46 pm

Well that couldn't have gone worse. The head held in place and I broke the crank bolt. It's much smaller than the Audi version

I'm wishing I'd never bought this damn thing
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Sparkyjack » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:04 pm

Grillage wrote:Well that couldn't have gone worse. The head held in place and I broke the crank bolt. It's much smaller than the Audi version

I'm wishing I'd never bought this damn thing


Sorry to hear that.

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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Aktapod » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:28 am

Man, I guess they get their reputation for a reason. Drop a 2.7T in it!
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Sun Feb 26, 2017 3:27 pm

I made some progress this weekend.

The crank bolt end came out with a screw extractor (thank god)
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I still can't get the damn head off though. I believe I now know why though.

When I bought the car there was a ton of coolant that had seeped out into the intake manifold plenum and also pooled around the intake. As a result, the two inside head bolts both were sitting in a coolant pool for quite some time.

I believe there is some corrosion that has glued the head bolts to the head.

All the other bolts look like this - note the space around the bolt is visible:
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And here is one of the offending bolts - note NO space around it:
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You can see the funk surrounding the bolt.

I now need to figure out how to break that seal.

Also the engine is now out of the car and power washed.
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Sparkyjack » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:33 pm

Grillage wrote:I made some progress this weekend.

I now need to figure out how to break that seal.

Also the engine is now out of the car and power washed.



Glad to here that the crank bolt is out.
Assuming they are studs is there room to double nut turn it out?

30 some years ago I helped my father pull the aluminum heads off his '37 Lincoln zephyr, not using distilled water had caused the head to corrode around the studs.
We pried the heads off with crow bars and screw drivers. It was mess, fortunately after welding up the holes and machining the heads there where saved.

Hoping you find a path to success.

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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby the german » Sun Feb 26, 2017 7:55 pm

X2 on double-nutting the stud and trying to pull it. It may be so far gone that the stud is seized in there and you will not be able to get it out, but it's certainly worth a shot.

If that fails, how would probably be time and money ahead to either
(A) scrap it or
(B) swap in a modern FI engine
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:04 am

Yeah, if all else fails I'm thinking weld nuts on the studs for removal. I've tried the double nut trick and I can't get them tight enough to each other to move the stud. They're really in there!

There's an engine on eBay about 3 hours from me that would be a suitable replacement but it's still the carb version (albeit the early carb version which is better)

I'd love to find a FI version though.
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Audiurq » Mon Feb 27, 2017 12:45 pm

Great project and not for the fainy hearted.

I hope you are able to free up the studs, the heat from welding a
nut on to the studs will help too.

Here is a Bi-Moto, Biturbo, cool but expensive....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HltFaAZ9oDw

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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby ringbearer » Mon Feb 27, 2017 2:18 pm

Weld nuts on the studs with high amperage, the heat end electrocution may help!
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:01 am

Look at the itty bitty turbos!
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby chaloux » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:37 pm

Like TDI turbos! Nice work dude... I probably would have just abandoned the car lol
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby scubagli » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:41 pm

Even vnt 15's are bigger then that...

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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Sun Mar 05, 2017 7:16 pm

Taking the engine to a machine shop tomorrow to get the heads off and drill out an intake manifold bolt (and broken screw extractor)
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby the german » Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:26 am

Man- you are getting deep in this thing. I guess there really is no such thing as a cheap Maserati!
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby speedydtp247 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:37 am

Ok to keep from cluttering your other project thread. What a nice unique car that you picked up. Bummer about the engine. Nice score on a replacement engine! Curious where did they put those little turbos on this engine? Looking at the pic in your other thread of the engine you picked up I didn't see any turbos on it.
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:41 am

Yeah, the new engine came without. They live under the exhaust manifolds pointed down. You can't see them at all with the engine in from above

I hope to have the engine back together before too long but won't be able to install for a bit while my garage is being built
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby speedydtp247 » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:45 am

Ah that explains why I don't see them in that pic. I thought since the turbos were tiny they really hide them
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:47 am

To update everyone else, I am giving up on the first engine. The machine shop couldn't get it apart either and short of destroying it, I can't figure how to get it apart.

So I found an '85 engine on ebay about 3 hours SE of me and picked it up last weekend.
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It came with a 5 speed trans that I won't need so I hope to sell that to make up some of the $ I'm spending.

This one had been converted into a single turbo engine and as such I have a few things to fix. The oil port and intake port on the one side (pictured above) have been blocked off with welded aluminum. Hopefully I just need to drill through the aluminum and I'll be good to go.

Also, the 85 is a better engine in that the carb setup doesn't use coolant but rather it uses a manual choke. However, the block doesn't have a provision for the '86's water cooled turbos - the '85 used oil cooled only. So I have to figure that part out
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Re: Ben's Maserati Biturbo Spyder

Postby Grillage » Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:48 am

Here's a pic of the old engine coming out -
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Turbo visible there
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