Mike's 200 20v avant

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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Mon May 16, 2016 7:50 pm

88a5tq wrote:Lol also be certain HOW those work too! Not knowimg is the best way to shred them. I did my first time through hah


If its anything like the B3 I should be ok. I just get nervous working on cars/engines that I'm not used to. No idea how I did an axle on the allroad, lol.

Thanks to Marcel it looks like I'm picking up a set of Platinum UrS4 seats at Carlisle. Perfection!
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Mon May 23, 2016 9:12 pm

The journey to Carlisle and back was pretty good! The drive out there was great. I'm a pretty worrysome person by nature and even more so with a car that is still pretty new to me, but it did great. I had zero issues, thankfully. I stopped at random times to fill up since I had no idea how much fuel I had (gauge reads full almost all the time). Hit up the abandoned turnpike for a bike ride with around 9 other enthusiasts. When we finally rolled in to the fairgrounds I opted to sleep in the 200 all weekend. What a fantastic choice as I was graced with a dry and quiet environment, kinda like Marc's trailer, just smaller :).

It was pretty cool to have 2 200 20v wagons there, TWO of which were Lago. I had a good talk with Chris and also Kevin about 200 stuff since I have a lot to learn. Special thanks to Kevin for a ride in his car! He offered to let me drive but I get a bit nervous with cars that arent mine. Frank wasnt so easy though as he made me drive his car to breakfast Sunday morning. Keep in mind I was in Canada helping him rip the block out a month ago. I thought there was no way the car would be done for Carlisle, but oops, I was wrong. All I gotta say is that I'm ready to see what my 200 can do (yes, I have been gentle with it). My car is chipped, but I've only been told its a mild TAP chip.

The only odd thing during the trip was when I backed in to my camping spot. The coolant tank was pretty full and there was some hissing out of the coolant cap. Never had an issue after that, so we'll see. No coolant leaks anywhere from what I can tell.

I was able to procure some decent Platinum UrS4 front seats from Marcel and couldnt resist installing them tonight! The drivers seat has been out before as the plastic pieces in the rear tracks were missing. I think it took me more time to disconnect the silly plugs than anything. Fitting in the new seat was cake. The passenger seat was easy once I made some wires to connect the 2 wires that needed hooking up on the white connector. Seats work great but I have not tried the heat yet, but Marcel tested them for me. I'm a huge fan of UrS seats and I wanted to keep the open headrests for an original look. I'll call this a win.

Car has lots of missing nuts and bolts in the engine bay (nothing catastrophic, just stuff to hold things in places, etc), so I'll work on that. I also can now concentrate on getting the belts fixed, etc.

Frank gave me some schooling on soldering at Carlisle. We popped my cluster out due to the fuel gauge and autocheck issue. Frank resoldered some stuff and got my CEL working but the fuel gauge issue is still there. The gauge reads full all the time and after filling up the low fuel guy on the autocheck yells at me. I did notice that in the twisty turns of the turnpike the fuel gauge WOULD move down, so thats good, but its totally not accurate. Thoughts here? I figure it may be a sender issue. I did not replace the fuel gauge itself though.

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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby Grillage » Tue May 24, 2016 8:21 am

Could the sender float be hanging up in the tank? I've had that issue on a car before.

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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby lucidmatt » Tue May 24, 2016 3:01 pm

Awesome seeing you at Carlisle and the 200 looks awesome! Glad its been reliable, and the S4 seats look great, theyre literally the most comfortable seats Audi makes. I even prefer them to the RS4 seats, mostly because the RS4 seats dont drop as low to the floorpan as the C4 S4 seats do, which is just my personal preference.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby loxxrider » Wed May 25, 2016 10:56 am

I wish I would have had a chance to try out my avant for camping, but the "Mrs. Loxx" as Mage put it, had to be back in time for work on Sunday morning. It was great seeing another lago avant, and to welcome you to the T44 mafia, but I wish we would have had the chance to talk more!

In the meantime, you know where to come when you need large chassis help. And if you want parts, Corey Henkin really knows how to get the good stuff.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Mon May 30, 2016 10:27 pm

Thanks guys!

I'll be diving into the fuel gauge stuff soon. I checked the Bentley and it suggests getting the car lower than 2/3rds of gas before removing anything back there, so I'll be driving this thing all week and hopefully poking around this weekend. I really should have installed a different fuel gauge for kicks when we had the cluster out at Carlisle.

Going to Maine in 3 weeks and really would love to take this thing but it would mean I do ALL the driving (gf still doesnt have her manual transmission license yet :P ). We'll see.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby frostyflax17 » Tue May 31, 2016 12:21 am

if you're heading to maine you should stop by my place, it's about 30 minutes off i90 (south of syracuse).
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Tue May 31, 2016 8:37 pm

frostyflax17 wrote:if you're heading to maine you should stop by my place, it's about 30 minutes off i90 (south of syracuse).


Dang, we would but we need to drive a bit further on the first day. We are gonna stay near Hartford somewhere. I considered asking you at Carlisle because Syracuse is pretty much in the middle of our route.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby Dan McBoost » Tue May 31, 2016 9:58 pm

AudiSport4000 wrote:Going to Maine in 3 weeks


I am RIGHT on route 90. I will message ya on FB.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:24 pm

Noticed the coolant gauge a bit higher than normal upon getting home tonight (it was a bit below the first large hash mark). I opted to let the car idle and pop the hood. First thing I noticed was a pin hole leak in the coolant tank. That explains some steam I've seen coming from that side of the hood at Carlisle. Irony? The 4kq coolant tank sprung a leak too. Replaced that tonight and I have a brand new unit that I can toss in to the 200.
What was more troubling is that the gauge continued to climb but there was no radiator fan action (it was working at Carlisle). I shut the car off as the needle hit the 12oclock position.

I spent most of the evening fixing the 4kq, which I need to drain again due to the gasket for the fan sensor leaking (I have a new sensor and gasket thankfully). That car seems to be good.

I peeked under the fusebox and found I was missing the aux water pump fuse (which I knew) and also the AC relay (nice!). I'll check the fusible link tomorrow. Aside from that, any thoughts? Relay looked ok but that does not mean its "ok", lol.

I realized there is nice ducting under the radiator. I assume all that crap comes off easy for coolant drainage?
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby themagellan » Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:31 am

If the fan ain't kicking on that 80amp fuse likely popped and you need a new fan motor.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:28 am

themagellan wrote:If the fan ain't kicking on that 80amp fuse likely popped and you need a new fan motor.


Dang, that sounds extreme! What should I be looking for in terms of that fuse? We are talking about the link thats a bit below the coolant tank, correct? I was hoping it may be a relay or the rad sensor.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby yodasfro » Sat Jun 04, 2016 11:13 am

Does the fan come on with the climate control on? Should come on with all settings except for econ mode.

Might want to verify the coolant temperature is actually getting too hot could be a case of the MFTS malfunctioning.

You can monitor the temp via the climate control diagnostics channel 06 there is a chart in the bentley manual for temp conversion. Or get an infrared thermometer.

I doubt the fan is bad does it spin by hand? Pull the rad fan sensor connector and jumper the terminals to see if it works. And if the fuse is blown that doesn't mean the fan is bad.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sat Jun 04, 2016 1:29 pm

yodasfro wrote:Does the fan come on with the climate control on? Should come on with all settings except for econ mode.

Might want to verify the coolant temperature is actually getting too hot could be a case of the MFTS malfunctioning.

You can monitor the temp via the climate control diagnostics channel 06 there is a chart in the bentley manual for temp conversion. Or get an infrared thermometer.

I doubt the fan is bad does it spin by hand? Pull the rad fan sensor connector and jumper the terminals to see if it works. And if the fuse is blown that doesn't mean the fan is bad.


The fan spins freely by hand and the fusible link is still there and good. Ill pull the lower shroud and check the fan sensor tomorrow. I see sjm has tests for the 3 pronger.

Never paid attention to see if the fan came on with the cc on. Will check.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:08 am

Had to move the car this morning so I flipped the CC to auto and the fan came on constantly, which is a good sign.
Could this point to my radiator fan sensor being bad, or does that control the fan when the climate control is on too? Just doesn't seem right that the fan wouldn't cycle if the climate control was off or on econ.
Bets on if the epoxy I used to seal up the pin hole leak on the coolant tank will hold? ;)
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:41 pm

Got some cooling parts enroute. Apparently the car has had cooling issues prior. I did some searching on QW and found some threads from a few owners ago. The previous owner said he put in an 80 degree tstat, which is a bit low, so I have an 87 enroute, along with a new mfts and fan switch. I'll use the cc head diagnostics to check the coolant temp.
Just realized where the rad sensor is...jfc, lol.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:12 am

Along with the cooling system stuff I need to still take care of, I need to look at the fuel gauge. I was going to pull the tank sender to inspect. Bentley suggests some special tools, but what do you guys use to remove the ring that holds the pump in? I assume its plastic and I'd hate to break it. The 4kq is cake since its metal.

Any help would be awesome.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby loxxrider » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:13 pm

I don't remember mine being plastic. I used a hammer and screwdriver.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:41 pm

loxxrider wrote:I don't remember mine being plastic. I used a hammer and screwdriver.


Perfect, that is more my style.

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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby DE80q » Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:08 am

I've always used a brass punch to eliminate the possibility of sparks.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby ringbearer » Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:11 am

Ring for tank bulkhead should be metal and the contraption that holds the pump in the basket is plastic. Bentley just makes it seem confusing and different.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby vt10vt » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:28 pm

ringbearer wrote:Ring for tank bulkhead should be metal and the contraption that holds the pump in the basket is plastic. Bentley just makes it seem confusing and different.

At least on my 10v 200 the bulkhead was plastic... and very brittle. But JB Weld fixed that right up ;)
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:40 pm

Thanks for the info guys. I still have to dig into this and wont have a few weeks to do so :(

I did pop the hood to inspect where the rad sensor is at. Boy, what a PITA just getting to the connector is. Is there really any way to even unhook it from the sensor without removing anything?

Bonus find was that I noticed why the cruise wasnt working. The rod from the throttle arm to the cc bellows is missing...doh.
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby 88a5tq » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:30 pm

Might be more to why that rod is missing, no? Idk but I'm just saying they may have removed it due to some other weird problem.
Autozone sells this massive socket that fits over the rad sensor which has a hole on its side that you can put an Allan key or screwdriver in to crank the sensor loose without removing too much crap. The socket is sold individually and is for axel repairs *I believe*
Worked for me, then I returned it, cuz I'm a cheap ba#stard. There it's out!
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Re: Mike's 200 20v avant

Postby AudiSport4000 » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:28 pm

I'll have to look for that socket! I'm hoping NEXT weekend I can take some time to work on this thing. Here is what I need to get done first.

- Troubleshoot rad sensor
- Drain coolant
- Install new MFTS and after run sensor
- Install new coolant tank and bleed system
- Inspect fuel tank sender
- Install new belts

We shall see. A bonus would be to see if the AC even works :)
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